thanks to jeffs comment the mrs and kids are now coming to the trackday but to even it up my mrs has asked jeffs mrs to come,and she is ,i wont now have to tell her how i wooped stephens arse, she can see it for herself ,so we will be traveling up with jeff on the thursday afternoon/evening and staying at the campsite next to the track and she and jeffs wife will head back to portsmouth when we leave for plymouth.