Hi Guy's, Im new to the forum and need some advise. I'm looking at a MC28sp in Rothmans colours, 1150km from new at £6500. I know it's not cheap but how much over the odd's is it. Also need to know how to de restrict it as 45bhp will not haul me around as I am not quite Pedrosa build. I believe I need a 030 card to start with + loom mods which I can do easy enough, how easy is it to get the card's or can some computer whizz on here re programme a stock restricted card. any help reguarding this matter will be appreciated. Thanks Dave P.S. Anybody want a mint 04 Ducati 749R please let me know
wow andy for the first time you havent dissed the mc28....!
so i will sorta do it for you, if you can find an MC21 get that, easier to derestrict and for some odd reason after my mc28, the banana swing arm looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better
please take my advice and listen to what i have to say!!!
first off i wanted a mc28 just like yourself and decided to find the best one available so after a good search of the net it was clear to me that fastline motorcycles in preston was the only shop that was bringing them in to uk also had a few in stock,
so off i went to there shop to see what i could buy.
there was only 1 mc28se left which to look as was 98% mint ( just a couple of chips and non standard parts fitted)
the bike was a 1996 and had a CLAIMED 3200KM so verry little miles..
we shook hands at £4000 and i was given 12 months mot and 3 months warrenty.
bike was delivered and i was over the moon.
1st test ride was around the block. the chain was shot and making a horrible clicking ( tight spot ) so i came streight back.
2nd test ride lasted 20mins and ended up recovered home ( regulator failed and fried the battery)
3rd test ride lasted 30mins and ended up recovered home ( 2 stroke pump seal slid down the pump shaft and drained all the 2t oil into the gearbox which the overflowed onto my back wheel).
i am now thinking this bike should just be a show peice so the only thing that wanted minting up was the exhaust chambers so i took them off to be re-coated.
WHAT THE F**K as i looked up the exhaust ports the top cylinder had scoring marks on the piston so this ended up 2 full top end rebuild kits.
after a load of head scratching and a load of throwing my teddys about the bike was doing my head in and ill be man enough to say
i was scared of riding it because i thought there will be something else.
i did have a few more trips out on it but not far from home.
i also noticed a slight drip of oil ( 2 srtoke ) coming from the flywheel cover though this didnt affect the performance. that was the last straw as i didnt want and didnt have the £5-600 for a new crank rebuild..
my advice would be to buy a used well maintained bike as the ones that have been stood develop hard frail engine seals etc......
this is only my experiance and would love another nsr just not a low milage MINTER hope this helps
i can't help but wonder if the MC28 would get such a slagging if 65hp was easily accessible... _________________ MC21SP Plaything
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The fact remains though that a '28 with pipes, jet kt, HRC card etc still can't do 65hp. The right MC21 even with stock pipes can manage it though once derestricted. _________________ If I have to take the carbs off once more...
So I guess the 21 is a better bike. A dream shattered!!!! It just looks so amazing. I'm getting the feeling Fastline don't seem to offer the service they claim too. Although I can't judge I do get the feeling many of you guy's have had bad experiences with them and I am happy to accept all of your advice. What work is needed to get a MC21 derestricted? many thanks Dave
It's true, unless it must be a '28 then a '21 is the better bike. Tons cheaper too. There a very good '21se to be had for way under 1/2 the money of that '28. That 21 has not sold on ebay twice recently for £2750, give him a call, make an offer, save 4 grand. 4 grand, you could have mine as well, and be quids in!
Depends what you want of course, if you're after something to polish and look at then a "mint" Rothmans '28 is probably what you want.
It's also a fair bet that any bike with 1700 miles on the clock in the past 15 years will need the crank seals doing in the quite near future.
It's value is what you (the prospective '28sp buyers) think it is as there are no other mint Rothmans '28sp's available, but looking at other similar stuff it's somewhere between (at least) £1000 (Robin's mint Repsol '28sp has been up for £5500 for a while and not sold) and £3000 (Bully's tidy, full power '28se OK no Magtek's but pipes and HRC card are worth more than stickers and 0.5kg off the wheels) over priced. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
Hey Rollo don't let these guys sway you on to an antique 21. Personally I would never own one so it's not the best bike in my opinion. And that whole 5 hp more isn't much in the scheme of things. Hell I'm 20lbs overweight so if that mattered I'd just lose weight and more than make up for it. Never had a 21 pass me anyway so that little edge is for the less skilled. lol
The 21 was kind of thrown together by Honda, look at the calipers, they just used what they had on the shelf even if they had to mount them backwards. They got them right when they installed them on the 28. Look at the swingarms. I've never seen a single person try and install the 21 swingarm on the 28. But you'll find thread after thread of those mounting the 28 on the 21... what does that tell ya. How about the credit card ignition, that alone has had people stop and talk to me for half an hour. They'll knock over a 21 just to take a look a the 28 parked next to it just because of those two features right there.
Buy what you like and don't settle for less then the latest generation NSR just so you can have that whole 5hp. lol
Well, for starters it's not 5 bhp, it's about 20bhp.
Give me an mc21 and about an hour and I'll give you a 60bhp bike that'll make you giggle like a schoolgirl.
Give me an mc28, an unobtainable HRC card, a set of pipes, an (again unobtainable) HRC jet kit and about 4 hours and I'll give you 60 bhp much the same.
The only way to get an HRC card now is to source one with a PGMIV from Japan or trust someone who says (in Japanese) he can reprogram them. Both ways will see you parting with several hundred pounds.
There are ways to extract some extra power from an mc28, namely by fitting mc21 parts, presuming I can be bothered to drag the thing to Steve's we'll able to tell you soon enough what an mc21 engine attached to a PGMIV and some derestricted pipes makes (that's what my Rothmans '28 is), I'm guessing around 53bhp. It's a little bit flat compared to a full monty '18, '21 or HRC carded '28 but retains all the road kit and with some enthusiastic throttle use it can keep most 250s/400s in sight.
A 40bhp mc28 is absolute garbage and a 45 bhp mc21 isn't much better, in the UK if you're a full size guy the chances of being whipped by some 50kg kid on a hot 125 Cagiva Mito are pretty high.
But it's not the level of power thats so bad, if it was delivered in the manner of a full power 125 Cagiva or Aprilia that'd be fine, they're both a right laugh to ride.
But its not, they rev OKish round to about 8000 or so, much like a full power bike does, nothing exciting but it works, then they just throw in the towel and limp the rest of the way round in much the same manner.
Everything that's good about a two stroke is totally missing.
I'd never advise anyone to run any Jap restricted 250, they're all rubbish.
So it's £6500, plus maybe a grand to get the power out of it that you will be wanting within about a fortnight, that's £7500 (and any chance of a guarantee ruined), let me make that live for our US cousins, that's $11000!
and a tenner says it'll need crank seals sometime this summer.
Seach back far enough and you'll find posts from me trying to talk myself into buying a £4750 standard Rothmans mc28sp along with a ton of posts trying to talk me out of it.
I listened, Banshee learned a harder way....your call. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
I have three 28SP's, didn't over pay for any of them. The one I ride every month is mint and hauls some ass. HRC card, check, HRC jet kit, check, JHA 500V, check and the HRC head swap and some porting just for the hell of it. All for under $10k US. I guess I could have bought a zillion hp Gixxer 1000 for a bit more but why when this thing is so much more fun.
Don't get the wrong idea though, it didn't start out mint and all the labor was free because I rarely charge myself. lol
On the hp deal I've never seen a 21 that has 20 more hp than my 28.
If you want a two stroke because it looks nice, then buy an MC28. If you want a two stroke because of the way it makes its power, buy an 18 or 21.
It is after all your cash. If it makes you feel better when someone asks you how much you paid to have a credit card start your bike, then great!
Just remember how much credit it took to buy the thing in the first place when the guy next to you zips off on his MC21 with his front wheel in the air and a manic grin on his face! _________________ MC21SP Plaything
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Thanks Dave P.S. Anybody want a mint 04 Ducati 749R please let me know
So I guess the 21 is a better bike. A dream shattered!!!! It just looks so amazing. I'm getting the feeling Fastline don't seem to offer the service they claim too. Although I can't judge I do get the feeling many of you guy's have had bad experiences with them and I am happy to accept all of your advice. What work is needed to get a MC21 derestricted? many thanks Dave 
They got them right when they installed them on the 28. Look at the swingarms. I've never seen a single person try and install the 21 swingarm on the 28. But you'll find thread after thread of those mounting the 28 on the 21... what does that tell ya. How about the credit card ignition, that alone has had people stop and talk to me for half an hour. They'll knock over a 21 just to take a look a the 28 parked next to it just because of those two features right there.
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