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special flanges ?

Sat May 21, 2011 8:15 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

Anyone have some feedback on the special flanges for the exhausts ? A dyno result maybe thanks
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Sat May 21, 2011 10:07 pm » Post: #2 » Download Post

I read somewhere that Matt said independent tests had shown up to 1.5hp gains.
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Tue May 24, 2011 2:08 am » Post: #3 » Download Post

Ask StephenRC45
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Tue May 24, 2011 9:52 am » Post: #4 » Download Post

Matt's new stubs worked really well on the bike I tested them on. Nothing special about the bike but produced 1.5hp more at peak with a gain in power and torque just about everywhere. Worth buying a set off him.
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Tue May 24, 2011 9:54 am » Post: #5 » Download Post

Was definitely worth buying Stephen that ice cream last time he was here Wink
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Wed May 25, 2011 6:44 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

I have seen the ones on the site , i was hoping that there were more guys out there that had them and could comment on power increases .
Thanks .
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Fri May 27, 2011 3:35 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

Is this Tyga part #EXMN9003 Manifold Collar Special?

And used with stock pipes? Or Tyga pipes?

What models does it fit?
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:16 am » Post: #8 » Download Post

Matt@TYGA wrote:Was definitely worth buying Stephen that ice cream last time he was here Wink


Have you been talking to a wheelchair bound fellow in NZ ? Very Happy Trying to convince people that there should be a step at the flange is extremely difficult.
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:04 am » Post: #9 » Download Post

Concerning the step in the port:

In '92 I bought an RS125 NF4 to race the British Championship. The first thing I was told was not to remove the step as you'd lose a hp. No one told me the reason why. I asked but no one would explain, so I left the step in there.

In '95 I raced the MC28. As we know the NSR has that same oval shaped exhaust port and the step where the port meets the header. After lots of grinding, testing, grinding, testing I was getting acceptable power. This was still keeping the step, albeit not as big as it was as stock. Then I filled the (Harc-Pro) manifolds with weld and set about grinding them back to match the oval shape of the port. Threw the bike on the dyno and BINGO......more mojo all through the powerband. Sweet.

When I went to work in Japan one of the first things I noticed was that the HRC "A" kitted 125's and 250 in our shop had matched manifolds. Not welded and ground like mine, but machined for the job by HRC.

Does size matter? yes! But thankfully in this case bigger is not necessarily better.

As the exhaust gas leaves the cylinder it is necessary to keep it's velocity high. This high velocity helps evacuate the cylinder. There is a close link between the size (area) of the exhaust port at the cylinder wall and the exhaust port where it meets the header. If you match the port to the header it basically means that the exhaust gas loses it's momentum too quickly and can effectively block the exhaust. But if you keep the area closely matched to the exhaust port proper then the gas velocity stays high as it charges into the expansion chamber. The step has little effect at this point.

The step helps to reduce the energy of a returning pulse which could contaminate the fresh mixture in the cylinder while the exhaust port is uncovered. It works at all rpm but more effective at low rpm.

Removing the step by using the matched flanges could cause a loss in power at the bottom of the range as both the suction and plugging pulses in the pipe have increased intensity causing over scavenging and also forcing spent exhaust gas back into the cylinder, but at the top of the rev range the lack of turbulence in the header aids efficiency, which means more power.

To this day no one has explained it to me, but that's my take on it.

The manifolds worked for me. They work for Steve and HRC use them. Who am I to argue?

Oh, and I haven't spoken to Wobbly for a week or so.
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Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:54 am » Post: #10 » Download Post

Here is the best explanation from a very clever Dutchman (so no wonder it involves push bikes).
A push bike pump uses a connector (from pump to valve) of a very small ID, no matter how much air pressure in the tube the pump can always manage force a little more air in, due to the high velocity that connector creates.If it were a large ID the valve would never open, the pressure in the connector would just fluctuate. So only high pressure and/or high velocity gas escapes. Jan Thiel still used the step on Aprilia RSA engines. I spend lots of time welding up ducts on old mxers that have previously had the step removed.
Nice work on the TSS pipes me dips me lid.
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Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:00 am » Post: #11 » Download Post

Good analogy. Makes sense
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:02 am » Post: #12 » Download Post

If I remember correctly, I got about +1.2hp on the top. Will dig around for some dyno sheets. Cheers Matt!
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:10 am » Post: #13 » Download Post

I do love story time with Matt. You can always be sure the post will be laced with GOLD.
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