just wondering if anyone has challenged this idea?

i'll be getting a mc28 soon, but laws state in canada, a vehicle that imported into canada that is newer then 15 years can NOT be insured. however if a vehicle is atleast 15 years old, which a 1990 mc21 is, can be insured.

SO...would someone know how easy it is to swap forks, rear swing arm, engine, instrament cluster into the mc21 frame?

Might I suggest you simply re-stamp the frame to the MC21 number?

No, I'd better not, as that's probably not legal...
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hehhe i debated that idea as well...

also i got a friend that's in insurance, and he suggested just lying and saying its a 15 year old bike.

but i'm trying to be 'legit'
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And suggesting you simply buy an MC21 is a daft idea?

OK.

Can you import it in bits and build it?
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no, the mc21 is a great bike...but the single sided swingarm is just that much cooler, and digital guages.

i can ship the entire bike as parts, but the main problem comes at the time of insuring. they only want to insure bikes atleast 15 years old. this is determined by punching the VIN of my bike into their system.

the plan was, they see an MC21 VIN, enter that into the system, when in reality all the componants are that of a MC28...
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Hmmm. Re-stamping really is the easiest option I think. At the end of the day it'll be as legal as anything else!

You can fit the MC28 swinger to the MC21, and I don't think it's too hard (though haven't tried myself).

As for fitting the digital clocks etc, Matt @ TYGA will definitely know more, but I'm sure you could transplant the wiring loom from a 28 to a 21, though how involved this would be I don't know.

Surely if you've built the bike from a box of bits, you haven't imported it, and can therefor claim it's a new build, not an import?
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Aha, finally someone who is doing exactly what I'm doing. Got it all lined up and ready to go so I'm going to save you a lot of time here:

1. You stamp the frame, you will get caught and will have to dispose the bike and probably face a hefty fine or jail time. Transport Canada has a direct link to Honda and Suzuki with valid frame numbers. You will also have to show registration documents. Just ask Windbell Motorcycles in Squamish.

2. Send the bike as parts and the same penalty applies. People have been doing this in the past and they will consider the same penalty if they see you are making a shipment of parts to make one bike. This is how Gary Goodfellow use to do it when he brought RGVs into Vancouver in the early 90's.

There are a few ways you can do it legit:

1. Do exactly what you are doing, MC21 frame with everything else as a MC28. The conversion is fairly easy according to one of the shops in HK that specializes in NSR. He had one done up for a racing bike. So, in this case you can send back the bike in parts and assemble it in Canada as long as all the components match the reg document.

2. Import only certain components of the bike and source the rest with North American Parts (ie. wheels, front suspension, pipes, etc...). In this case, all you need to prove is proof of purchase as you will be registering as a home built.

Hope that helps.

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hmmm nice to see another canadian on this board. are you also on bcsb?

what if i combine 1 & 2?

buy two bikes, a mc21 and mc28 as they are insanely cheap in hk. ship the mc21 as a complete bike. Then ship the mc28 as parts. Once they arrive, swap over all the parts from the mc28 onto the mc21 ? get it insured as a mc21 bike.?

you on msn?
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I'm on bcsb but not really active.

I wouldn't buy a MC28 complete and dismantle it because there is a liklihood they might reject it. They are afraid you will try to register it as a home built. You could bring it in as a racing bike but then you will have to have a valid racing license.

Best thing to do is dismantle everything, carry one frame, two engines is probably OK but one of everything else. As long as Transport Canada believes you can only make one bike. So it's a big, big gray area. I tried to ask them what constitues a "bike" and he never got back to me. I definitely know if I bring in just a frame it is not considered a bike but I believe a frame and engine (even without any other parts) is considered a bike.

The MC21 and MC28 you see in HK are sh*t. I looked for my MC28 for 4 years and finally found an SE with SP parts in good condition but it cost me $5000USD. The MC21 was in OK shape but still not as good as the MC28. Believe me, they're all rusted and thrashed out here.

Go to yahoo groups and search for "ripready" and you will see my bike and parts off of a MC21 I am selling.

I'm not on MSN but on Yahoo Messenger. You can find me as ripready.

Here's what I suggest you do:

1. MC21 frame with the original MC21 engine. Difference is flywheel, oil pump, Gear Position Sensor, Carbs and throttle position sensor and electrics. Pick up the MC28 parts above and the electrics and loom.

2. Scrap the bodywork, I would go with the TYGA stuff because the bodywork out here will be crap

3. Go with a front fork conversion (RS250 or something you can get in the US). I think the bike looks way better with an USD conversion. I currently have a RVF front but switching to a 2001 RS250 front I purchased from LA.

To tell you the truth, I like the single sided swinger but the electrics on a MC28 just aren't practical. You can't make duplicate keys because it uses a keycard. You lose it and you're out of luck. If you want something really cool, go for a MC21 engine and then use a MXL Pista digital gauge which looks way better than the stock Honda one.

before i get into modding the bike, first i have to get it over. i'm sure i'll be changing all the parts you mentioned. already sourcing our forks, brakes, exhaust..etc...

the greatness is that i have a friend in hk that has a mc28 and he's a bike fanatic. bought a 1996 nsr repsol and kept it in mint condition in his house. I saw it last winter and it has, surprisingly, no rust at all. everything is clean clean clean. he wants to sell it, i wanna buy it. but i know i wont be able to insure it without some trick.

there's a guy in vancouver with a mc21 1993 thats street insured. the frame was restamped as an older honda 250. that's the trick for his bike, i dont think i want to risk that.

so my question is at what point do 'parts' become a 'bike'?
if i get a 1990 mc21, there's absolutely no issues with bringing it through customs or insuring it.
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so back to the original question....
can you guys enlighten me on that feasibility on swapping parts over?
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I didn't think it was possible to fit the MC28 swinger to the MC21 frame. I seem to remember that the spindle is a larger diameter on the MC28 so won't go throught the 21 frame........

Is this right?