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Poor running then backfire at lower revs


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Poor running then backfire at lower revs

Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:49 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

Its been a while, but everything has been going so well. And now as usual I'm here when I need help.
During a great enthusiastic ride on Sunday over the Helmsley TT the bike running crisp and well.
Refuelled at Malton with Excellium (best I could find) within 10 miles bike occasionally had a power delay on opening throttle around 9k then after a change down we were off (mostly).
Did this quite a few times and seemed to be worse after a few moment on a closed throttle (for example coming upon a line of cars prior to overtake)
Called in at Sherburn and then noticed very rough running and it stopped, refusing to Idle and would not start. Had to drag the wife out with my van and rewinding my day put everything down to some crap in the fuelling.
Anyway carbs out and tank emptied plugs checked and found nothing, all seems well.
It will kick over and reluctantly start with the top cylinder running well. Getting PHUTT type backfires from the front cylinder and it will not idle. Front cylinder runs fine above 5k but seems to be nothing below but occasional backfires.
Done search for backfires on this site and now think I may have an electrical issue that developed on my ride.
I'm ashamed to say I haven't layed a spanner on it for 2 years, just ridden it.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:53 pm » Post: #2 » Download Post

My guess is that if it's not fuel, then it's plugs.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:11 pm » Post: #3 » Download Post

Probably seized it! Get the pipes off and have a look up the exhaust port.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:40 pm » Post: #4 » Download Post

Thanks Andy. Job for the weekend then.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:43 pm » Post: #5 » Download Post

It's not a cert', but I've seen it before. Blue flashes out a pipe or a "phutt phutt" is not a good sign!
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:57 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

My MC16 did almost exactly this when the CDI's failed. Worth swapping over if you have an MC16 as the problem should move to the other cylinder.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:23 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

Thanks, Its a 21. I'll try that swap if its possible on mine. Fingers crossed for a simple answer. I am guilty of poor maintenance and haven't checked the coils or cables for.... must be 2 1/2 years
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:37 pm » Post: #8 » Download Post

a clogged pilot jet (from bad fuel?) will cause the cylinder not to fire below 5,000 rpm.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:50 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

I would hazard a guess and say you now have a 150.
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Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:08 pm » Post: #10 » Download Post

I would check for seizure first and if no sign of that, check coil connection for signs of arcing (pitting, charring). Actually, I'd check coils first because it's easier and I'm lazy. Embarassed but I had the puh puh out one exhaust and backfires and it was bad coil connection, so maybe you'll get lucky too.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:01 pm » Post: #11 » Download Post

Yes it nipped up!
I.ve misled everyone though by describing a faulty front cylinder when it was infact the upper one. Everything else was explained correctly though.
Took your advice Andy and looking through the exhaust port and I see a piston with a bit missing from the edge of the crown, bugger.
When I got a Phutt type backfire I also saw a small puff of smoke from between the bottom of the barrel where it meets the crankcase as you would from a blown gasket.
In my ignorance is this likely to stop at a replacement piston and barrel or should I be looking further.
Advice , help , parts sourcing advice all welcome
Thanks, Mal.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:43 pm » Post: #12 » Download Post

I don't have much 300 stuff any more, its all broken, but I do have some head gaskets if they are any use to you Mal.
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:49 pm » Post: #13 » Download Post

You told me earlier you had at least 3 perfect barrels, Steve!
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Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:51 pm » Post: #14 » Download Post

Yeah, but the perfect ones are 250's though. All my 300 ones are seized!
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