Due to popular demand, I have created a sub-forum in the Members Area for the discussion of jetting and suspension setup.

Please ONLY use the designated area to post this information.

Quick link to the new Setup Discussion Area.
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Is that sub-forum going to remain accessible to everyone?

It's in the Supporting Members area.
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Your post there about it is accessible at this time that's why I asked about the future.

Are you saying if jetting is brought up in the general areas those posts will be deleted?

I don't want specific setups discussed in the free forums, and have always actively discouraged it as it has a tendency to arm people (generally less experienced "tinkerers") with just enough knowledge to make things go badly wrong! I have no problem with people offering advice on cleaning and setting up stock carbs/bikes where owners have poor running or starting issues however.

Having the Setup discussion in the Racing section of the Members Area keeps the topics out of direct line-of-sight of the casual NSR-WORLD reader. It has also been asked for by a few Members, and as they are paying a subscription, the area has been expanded at their request.
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Forum: (n) A meeting or medium for the open discussion of subjects of public interest.

Lol. You boys should all buy yourselves TZRs. You're 'allowed' to talk about anything you like on the TZR forum - someone even posted a pic of a very nice repsol MC28 recently, which we all duly admired.

Come on, Andy. Give the fella's a break. Who cares if someone slavishly follows someone else's jetting and melts their motor? It's a useful lesson learned I'd say... We are all grown ups aren't we?. I post up my settings on the TZR forum whenever anyone asks - it can be very useful to have a rough guide. I've not been sued yet in any case . And it certainly wouldn't cross my mind to 'blame' anyone else if I asked for pointers, they were given, and I popped me motor. Those are the risks that any of us tinkering with a motor understands we are taking when we get into it. It's like signing up for a track day and then trying to sue the organisers when you seize your pride and joy down the back straight

Don't you think you could be being a teensie, weensie bit, well, anal about all this, Herr Fuhrer?

You can't have a stroker forum where the topic of jetting is verboten. It's like saying people can't discuss tyres or gearing or any other fundamental aspect of set-up. Just stick a disclaimer somewhere on the main site if you are seriously worried about people taking internet advice as gospel. Having said that, some of my student's essays do reveal something of a lack of ability to discern between fact and opinion I must say. But that's just the Wikipedia generation, surely? We are all old enough and wise enough to take responsibility for our own actions aren't we? I hope so...

Anyway, Free speech for NSR types!

Let the people have a voice!

Cheers

Wb

Wb: In theory I agree with you....... in reality I have seen many forums degrade a good thread into a petty tit for tat fight over semantics.

I would like to see it in open area discussion, and Andy has chosen a path that is to closely guarded the content of the forums so that it remains reasonably technical, especially when melting an engine can get people somewhat emotional so for me, I'll just live without jetting advice, or pay my membership and get access to it.

Unfortunately Warwick, not everyone is as easy-going as you, and let's jut say "once bitten, twice shy"!

I'm not prepared to have to justify either my or the Forum's existence just because someone has taken exception to potentially damaging information a post or series of posts. Yes, misinformation can happen in a wide variety of subjects, but jetting is the most likely to cause more issues than any other subject, especially for those who shouldn't really even have a spanner in their hands, let alone a handful of brass!

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask those who are spending £400 on a set of chambers, and £150 on an HRC jet kit, to spend £50 at the dyno and have bike professionally set up if they don't know where to start. Once they have a good setup, it's a good base to fine tune if further changes are made.
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It all just seems a bit like a pub with no beer taps to me really . It's just such a fundamental topic within two stoke set-up that a stroker forum would seem a bit barren without it, wouldnt it? And 50 quid for a proper dyno set-up session seems very cheap to me, Andy I have to say. And probably wouldn't give you an ideal road set-up in any case even if you were fortunate enough to live near a dyno that had a stroker-literate jocky at the controls. And more importantly you'd miss out on the joy of a whole days doing endless plug chops too

I do see your point Andy, but, bloody hell, it's all a bit 'nanny state', innit? I reckon a disclaimer is enough to make the point myself, but, you know, it's your party at the end of the day...

And I havent even got an NSR anymore in any case (if we discount the little 150), so what should I care? I just like to see plenty of lively stroker debate really. I honestly reckon its only the 'net that keeps a lot of these old strokers alive really, and I genuinely do cherish every last one of them (irrespective of marque) - and every forum dedicated to them too.

2T in the veins, see?

Cheers

The Devil's Advocate

Specific jetting setups stay in the Members Area... like it or lump it.

All the help in the world is still available to those who want to get a poor running bike going, or want to delimit a stocker, and need advice on the carbs, but that's as far as it goes. Like I say, I have no time for justifying myself or the forum. I've had plenty of bitchy and even threatening e-mails over the years, as I imagine many Forum owners have when things don't go in the users favour!

If someone isn't savvy enough to interpret the base settings in the Tuning section of the main site and take it from there, then it's not my problem, and if you (global... not you Warwick) don't like it, tuff!
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Well you can't say fairer than that I suppose...

I consider myself 'told'...

We have litterally hundreds of "one-post-wonders", many who want their bit of tuning or setup advice, and who both never contribute or return once their problem is solved.

As Forest would say, "that's all I got to say about that"!!
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The internet is a funny place. Running a website, no matter what it is brings people of all types to you.

I have had threats of having the FBI called on me to report me as a terrorist because of a google ad that was on one of my sites hires a middle eastern in their customer service department (it was a motorcycle dealer).

I think it comes down to wanting to support the motorcycle community, yet limiting what you put/allow out there due to absolute freaks who can't think for themselves.

I am in the process of working on a new site right now that I just know will bring even more of these freaks out of the woodwork, but I think the site will be a nice venue for the target market. And when your offering something for free you got to take the good with the bad. It's just your right as a site owner/admin to "manage" the bad as best as possible to keep it a useable resource that people want to come back to.
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