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Your best course of action is to have a read of the model history section, it'll give you a feel for what bikes came when and how the timeline ran.
Without bothering to double check, I believe the PGM 1 was on the MC16, 2 on the MC18, 3 on the MC21 and 4 on the MC28.
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Dave Ett wrote:Your best course of action is to have a read of the model history section, it'll give you a feel for what bikes came when and how the timeline ran.
Without bothering to double check, I believe the PGM 1 was on the MC16, 2 on the MC18, 3 on the MC21 and 4 on the MC28.
Why would you want to retrofit it, and to what?
Almost, the PGMI was on the first MC18's and the PGMII on the latter. MC16 didnt have the PGM and ran CDI's
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RaceFan wrote:would I require the entire harness to retrofit it?
TIA.
Well, I'll actually answer the question shall I?
Presumably this is to fit to the 28sp you have?
Yes, you will require a PGMII, an R5k/R6k harness, mc18/21 temp sender unit, mc18 clocks (plus speedo cable, ignition barrel and top yoke if it's a road bike).
You'll also require an '18 or '21 flywheel if you want the bike to perform reasonably and it'll require some level of setup as this is at least as big a performance jump as fitting an HRC smartcard.
If you're doing this for power, don't forget the '28 pipes are restricted as well.
Mounting the clocks will require some work, the '18 clock mount doesn't fit the '28 frame and even if it did the front fairing mount bolt isn't in the same place.
The PGMII itself will also need mounting somewhere, it's sits under the passengers seat on an '18.
There are other differences between the '18 and '28, specifically the reg/rec on an '18 is in line between the stator and the loom, the carb soleniods have two plugs not one and the flywheel pickup plug is different.
You can just swap the plasic plug housing over on the flywheel pickups by poking the spade connectors out with a small screwdriver. The wires themselves are the same, it's just the plug shape they changed.
The others can be overcome by a little wiring alteration or by using the '18 reg/rec and/or carb solenoids.
If this is a roadbike you might want to do something about the steering lock.
I have no idea if the rear light plugs are the same, if not swapping them over shouldn't be tough, obviously the headlight will require some work as the mc18 only has one bulb, bearing that in mind i'm not too sure I'd use an '18 reg/rec on a '28 roadbike.
If it's a trackbike you can just splice one of the red wires from the reg/rec into the red/black wire that should run to the ignition barrel, do that and the bikes power will be on the run/off switch.
If you pull all the loom tape off you can then make a decent job of removing all the surplus wiring and ditch the fuse box if you want as you can see where it all really runs. Most of it is for the lights and indicators.
After my PGMIV died and I decided to fit a PGMII to my racebike it took me about an hour to get the loom just lying across the bike, roughly spliced in and the bike running then about another 4 hours to make a tidy job of it and mount the clocks so they didn't foul the fairing.
Here it is after the first hour, just fired up and working. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
Thanks fontyyy, that is the answer I was looking for.
It will be a track bike(currently a rolling chassis only) and while I wait for my parts to arrive I am exploring ideas.
The PGMIV needs to be chucked that is for sure.
If you're building a racebike from scratch, PGMII is definately the way to go, I can't believe anyone would choose anything else unless they actually want (or need for class reg rules) a pure mc16/mk1 mc18/mc21 or mc28.
The other options are all a lot more expensive, more complex and possibly not as good when you bear in mind both F3 and RS PGMII's will just plug in and work.
The only bad bit is there is no such thing as an mc18 race loom except the F3 stuff which needs the F3 stator, pickups and HRC clocks.
But making one from an r5k loom isn't tough, don't forget to do the wiresplice.
The only real alternative might be an Avgas PGMIII, but they're even harder to come by and more expensive than HRC carded PGMIV's.
And mc21 race looms seem to cost a lot on Yahoo Japan. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
Track bike, I don't plan to race it so no class rules apply. I do want it to be a well sorted track tool.
I already have an eye out for the PGMII, they come up from time to time here.
fontyyy wrote:If you're building a racebike from scratch, PGMII is definately the way to go... The other options are all a lot more expensive, more complex and possibly not as good...
Is the PGM2 really that much less complicated than the 3 then? How come the 3 isn't an advancement - it's not restriced is it?
What doesn't the 2 have that the 3 does?
If this is just a track bike, is he not better off with a later PGM which is likely more plentiful spares wise?
Not after a fight, just asking... _________________ MC21SP Plaything
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PGM-II doesn't have a GPS for a start (not that that is an advantage or a disadvantage). They are also dirt cheap to pick up. _________________ If I have to take the carbs off once more...
Maybe the PGMIII is no more complex, but aquiring one (especially with it's race loom) will not be cheap and options other than the normal road PGMIII are very very expensive and rare. I've seen two Avgas PGMIII's on Yahoo Japan, both went for way over £500.
By comparison my NF5 PGMII cost £21 (ebay) and an F3 one just went on Yahoo Japan for £70.
Are PGMIII's more common, there's a PGMII on ebay right now, surely more mc18's are being broken than mc21's? _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
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