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How much compression raise for road use?


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How much compression raise for road use?

Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:09 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

Hi i want to take as much power from the bike without making it unreliable...

From your experience how much compression can be raised from stock without side effects? 95 octane fuel is the standard.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:08 am » Post: #2 » Download Post

None!

The NSR250 doesn't need increased compression, and certainly not on 95 octane!

Compression is not the way to power on an NSR.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:20 am » Post: #3 » Download Post

Reliability is in the eye of the beholder.
Any power increase is going to lower the life of the engine.
I don't know the exact numbers but for example if a stock 45bhp NSR lasts about 20'000kms before requiring a rebuild, a worked 60bhp might do 10'000-15'000kms before requiring a rebuild. Some of us including me consider that an acceptable drop in engine life for the extra power gained.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:58 am » Post: #4 » Download Post

well i thought that the bike was designed to work with less than 95 octans so with better fuel there could be a safe raise.

But it seems nsr's had biggest compression ratio than the other 250's... Wink
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:30 am » Post: #5 » Download Post

Raising the compression on an NSR just makes the motor peaky with a loss of midrange and in most cases a loss of peak power.

The NSR does't have the most compression of all the 250's but it does have one of the best designs.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:44 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

Have you measured your head volume and checked your squish ?

Set them to the correct specs and you will get some beter performance !
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:09 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

Which model do you have?
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:04 am » Post: #8 » Download Post

mc21R with L cylinders...
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:55 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

If you are using H cylinders with L heads then you're already on HRC SP spec, which is an avgas spec.

We have found volumes that work for unleaded 95 here in Thailand, and it's not that radical. Only if you have a high exhaust port should you consider a decrease in volume.

You'll find that a relatively low comp NSR revs nicely and makes smooth power. Up the comp and although it'll start building midrange at first, you'll then hit a wall where it won't rev.

Tightening the squish works, as does reducing the squish area, which slows down the MSV meaning less chance of the dreaded detonation at higher rpm.

If you're after more power then look at the areas that a production line doesn't take care of such as casting flashing, sharp edges etc.

When it comes down to it, the compression ratio is very much like the ignition timing. It doesn't need to be right on the edge to be good, but on the flip side and erring on the safe side can yield a nicer ride. It's also very easy to go too far and undo all your hard work in a pool of molten aluminium!
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:45 am » Post: #10 » Download Post

I have done all these sharp edges and was looking for some more ponies without breaking the motor.

It seems that you are all right nsr has already good comp and for road use is perfect..

Thanks for clearing things out!
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:41 am » Post: #11 » Download Post

Mine's made just under 68hp with standard heads and port timing* on pump 97 unleaded. I've seen NSR's with increased compression fall flat on their asses a number of times... and fail to even make 60hp!

Fiddling with compression isn't something to undertake lightly, and like I said in my first post, there are better ways to reliable power.

*My ports and deck heights are "optimised", and while it ran extremely strong for 3 years, even then it still eventually eroded away the tops of the barrels due to sporadic detonation. (I do tend to run the jetting rather close to the edge much of the time though.) I am confident that had the compression been increased beyond standard, there is no way it would've suffered the abuse it did for 3 years! I've seen bikes with fresh motors and increased compression fail to even finish a track day!
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