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Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:51 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

Well it was brought to my attention by Scott v that there are some lips missing on my intake tracts. At first I didn't know exactly what he was talkin about but when I undug some stock cases I then realized what it was. The lips on the bottom edge that look as if they direct airflow to the barrells. Heres a pic of the 'reworked' case halve.
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Now my question is......Am i fuct without these lips? Are they detremental(sp?) to performance?
I can get some welded up but that would mean the motor will have to come apart...again.

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 pm » Post: #2 » Download Post

Well, we for sure dont remove them for a reason.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:04 pm » Post: #3 » Download Post

Thanks Stephen, I feel worse now. Confused

Looks like its coming apart again. Crying or Very sad
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:07 pm » Post: #4 » Download Post

Its hard to explain here, plus we have the NSR-World secrets act but we infact make them bigger....
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:19 pm » Post: #5 » Download Post

StephenRC45 wrote:
Its hard to explain here, plus we have the NSR-World secrets act but we infact make them bigger....

That's 75 years before it can be published you know! Very Happy

(And 100 years if it concerns anything to do with Saturday night, eh Matt?!)
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:24 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

And I doubt I'll be here in 75 years.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:32 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

Looks like Rob North is gonna be getting a call from me.

"bigger lips eh?" C'mon spill the beans guys....Were all allies here. Wink

Velocity is the key I assume.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:34 pm » Post: #8 » Download Post

Oh yeah the Kennedy stuff is supposed to be released soon. That'll flip the gov't upside down over here.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:39 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

I'm sure you will figure it.

I wouldn't go welding it back up though, its quite easy to distort the cases.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:50 pm » Post: #10 » Download Post

Let me get this straight....You wouldn't weld it up and recreate them if you were in my position?.

Can you guys make me feel better and say that my motor wont blow up if I leave them be? Laughing All I need is piece of mind. If it loses 1-2 hp I won't mind.

Maybe some marine tex or JB weld will do the job.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:52 pm » Post: #11 » Download Post

No I wouldn't weld it back up. I'm not a great fan of resin either (not big lumps that you need anyway) so I personaly would be starting on a new set.

Ive PMed you.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:20 am » Post: #12 » Download Post

I'm glad you mentioned this. I noticed this from the pictures and wondered if I should do it since I'm currently working on my cases.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:22 am » Post: #13 » Download Post

Always good to learn from others mistakes eh.
Here's a pic of stock intake tracts with above mentioned 'lips'. This is for future reference and comparison.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:07 pm » Post: #14 » Download Post

John,
all I can say is my usual, "chill out man"!!!

Are you going to race this bike?
Are you lokking for every last horsepower?
Most of the rest of the pictures looks okay, I personally didn`t remove the lips as a tuning book I believe in said not to. It also said to make them bigger. I did think like Steve said to increase them but decided not to.
I`d give the cases a try & see what happens myself, I`m thinking the mixture following the crankwheels will act like the lips in question anyway. It`s up to you, I wouldn`t get overly obsessed with making everything perfect for racing if you`re only going to ride on the highway.
It`s just my opinion of course!
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:30 am » Post: #15 » Download Post

Yeah, I understand what you mean Chester. It's not going to be a race bike, but I just want it to be 'optimal' for big grins. I just figure while I'm in there i may as well get it right. Plus I like learning all this new info. Pretty much been wingin it since I first got my NSR.
I figure adding the lips with some epoxy shouldn't be tough at all so why not do it.

ps. my chemical imbalance prolly has something to do with my freak nature.
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