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25 years of Neglect - MC18 R4J Rebuild


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Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:23 pm » Post: #226 » Download Post

You’ve certainly put some miles on it, well done for getting out there on it and enjoying it. Mines still sitting on a fresh engine and not turned a wheel.
Strange that your front tyre has worn before your rear presuming they were both fitted new together. Not heard of that happening before.
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Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:57 pm » Post: #227 » Download Post

Zeus wrote:You’ve certainly put some miles on it, well done for getting out there on it and enjoying it. Mines still sitting on a fresh engine and not turned a wheel.
Strange that your front tyre has worn before your rear presuming they were both fitted new together. Not heard of that happening before.


Thanks Zeus

I’m actually enjoying it more now than I did 1st time around (Almost half a life time away) but even back then I think the engine was suffering from the effects of worn out centre crank seal and worn rings. Having Steve Alee rebuild the engine was probably the best money I’ve spent and certainly changed the bike into what it is today.

Ref the tyres – I was surprised by the front! as both Front and rear tyres were brand new and fitted at the same time, I must confess to not being the most talented rider and also a habitual late/heavy braker however even then the bike isn’t exactly pitching Hayabusa weight onto the front wheel.

As you can see for street legal tyres they haven’t exactly got a lot of tread on them – which is fine for summer use but perhaps too soft to be practical



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Given I’ve got a spare 18 inch rear tyre (having previously worked on the premise of 2 rears to 1 front) I now have two more fronts arriving soon from down under – and hopefully if I’m sensible I can squeeze another 10-12,000km out of the old girl before I need to go shopping again (or learn to ride properly and get 15k+ out of them)


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mind you at approx. 25 miles to the gallon economy isn’t high on the agenda nor is an NSR genuinely going to get this lass feeling all warm and fuzzy inside Laughing

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Anyway back to being sensible
What’s the plan with yours Chris ? given your location it would be great to ride out together at some point next year perhaps down to Wiltshire and see Rob H
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Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:08 pm » Post: #228 » Download Post

No plans yet, it’s due the mot in March so I’ll ride it the mile to the mot and back then decide weather I dare ride it again after that. A meet up would be good though.
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Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:11 pm » Post: #229 » Download Post

I'm planning to put some Mitas tyres on my YB100. I reckon they might have some better options than Bridgestone. For your magnesium wheels TCPS near Melksham can paint them. Steve used to work for Dymag, so knows his stuff.
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Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:19 pm » Post: #230 » Download Post

RobH wrote:I'm planning to put some Mitas tyres on my YB100. I reckon they might have some better options than Bridgestone. For your magnesium wheels TCPS near Melksham can paint them. Steve used to work for Dymag, so knows his stuff.



Many thanks as always Rob for your sage advice about TPCS– after Yahoo Japan (Jauce) for parts and then The Image Works for the decals this is another pearl of wisdom and having been to their website he looks like being the go to guy!


As you can see in the pictures the worming which started within 6 months of getting them back from GT performance and I believe it was Griffs in Bristol who did the work however as you can see the resulting worming is so severe I can only assume whoever did the work must have treated them as if they were plain alloy rims rather than Magnesium – sure as hell wasn’t the British climate as they started worming out long before the bike ever hit the road.


The pics below are of the dirty front wheel however the rear which is already off the bike and stripped down is just as bad so will try that one first as the bearing have been knocked out of it already.



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Every time I clean the bike this much worming makes me seriously twitch, With whats going on under the paint it could actually be terminal for the rim (hope not)



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Doesn’t matter how much you rotate the wheel its everywhere and even discoloured the paint so there isn’t a good or “better angle” to be had.

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And how they should look – Fair play this rim is 35yrs old so there are people in this world who know what they are doing and I know its original as its still got the OEM decal by the valve stem that’s worn away with age (either that of its one hell of faux)

So just encase and for future reference, this is what the front rim looks like in Nov 24 complete with Cold November rain (drops)

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Rob when are you going to post a few pics of your YB100 – I know its not a Honda but we’re all interested never the less. Hell post a pic or two one on this thread, there is after all a few pictures of RD’s on previous pages.

Having looked up Mitas tyres online they look like a great option - shame they don’t list 18inch rears as it would solve the perennial problem of limited options
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Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:21 pm » Post: #231 » Download Post

I rate Reality Motor Works. They have done loads of work for me. I would confirm with GT that it was them and maybe give them a call.

Steve Turner at TPCS is probably better for special materials
though.

There's not much to see on my YB100. So far just the frame, bottom yoke and centre stand is together. A second NOS fork nut arrived today, I will be trying to assemble the fork puzzle soon. Headlight covers, middle covers, external springs in the middle covers, various bushes and spacers
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Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:20 pm » Post: #232 » Download Post

My rear magtek is worse than that mate,it looks like its been painted black then dipped in cat hair,and thats after its been to tpcs,steve did a fantastic job making it look half decent as it was horrific,i thought it might have been going in the bin
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Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:42 pm » Post: #233 » Download Post

I would be contacting GT about the finish on that wheel. Reality do all their rims (well, did, when I was there) and that is highly unusual. All the HRC wheels (RS250R/NSR500/RC30/RC45 etc.) are magnesium, and they've also done plenty of SP Magteks. Something is amiss there, which they should rectify in my opinion; certainly if it's within 6 months.
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Mon Dec 02, 2024 5:53 pm » Post: #234 » Download Post

silikesguiness wrote:My rear magtek is worse than that mate,it looks like its been painted black then dipped in cat hair,and thats after its been to tpcs,steve did a fantastic job making it look half decent as it was horrific,i thought it might have been going in the bin



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Your comment about yours “looking like they had been painted black and then dipped in cat hair” made me smile

My biggest concern regarding having them re done again isn’t the running them there it’s knocking out and damaging wheel bearings that have only 3k KM and then buying and paying the labour to have them replaced with new ones with no guarantee that I’ll be any better off in 12 months

If I don’t make a decision soon they will be so roached out that the decision will be out of my hands
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Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:10 pm » Post: #235 » Download Post

RobH wrote:I rate Reality Motor Works. They have done loads of work for me. I would confirm with GT that it was them and maybe give them a call.



Andy wrote:I would be contacting GT about the finish on that wheel. Reality do all their rims (well, did, when I was there) and that is highly unusual. All the HRC wheels (RS250R/NSR500/RC30/RC45 etc.) are magnesium, and they've also done plenty of SP Magteks. Something is amiss there, which they should rectify in my opinion; certainly if it's within 6 months.



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They weren’t in great shape when they went off but that was more to do with the fact the gold had aged and was no long shinny but at that time there was no worming.
The wheels started to go off about 6 months after they came back but bare in mind it took me another 18 months to two years to get it on the road so wasn’t down to salt or water ingress - so I’m well past any warranty period, It started with the gold showing dark spots like bruising on the skin of soft fruit and then the worming started and rather like the kids book “The hungry caterpillar” its never stopped - Another two years and they will be hollowed out husks!

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I might take the plunge and try one wheel with the guys at TPCS as everything they describe is what’s happening to mine
They certainly have list of pre requisites that need to be done before they will even entertain starting work so I guess their attention to detail is likewise as high.
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Wed Jan 01, 2025 12:20 pm » Post: #236 » Download Post

Happy New Year everyone

Whatever you’re doing (or NOT especially if you live in the northern hemisphere)

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Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:21 pm » Post: #237 » Download Post

Happy New Year

If you use Facebook. TPCS Turner has a short video of some Honda mag wheels that he has painted. They look beautiful.
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Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:48 pm » Post: #238 » Download Post

RobH wrote:Happy New Year

If you use Facebook. TPCS Turner has a short video of some Honda mag wheels that he has painted. They look beautiful.



Cheers Rob
Finally got round to getting the front one off the bike so will see what the they can do with them
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Having been accepted to participate in the JVMC display at the Bristol Bike show (that’s actually not in Bristol but held at the Bath and West Show Ground) and generally speaking full of overly manicured vintage “Garage Queens” I thought I’d better make amends for the fact I haven’t been able to stop myself riding my NSR for the best part of 12 months and get rid of the 5,000kms of dirt and dust its accumulated in that time - So following on from the prolific and in depth technical posts from Hudtm60 on his MC18 rebuild thread - This is little more than a shallow “Fluffing and Titillating” post about swapping a few cosmetic parts out for new ones so that Cinderella can go to the ball.


New old stock switch gear now fitted matching the NOS kill switch and grips, it proved to be so “old” new stock that the grease inside was so stiff it was more like treacle in artic circle and as a result needed plenty of switch cleaner to clear it out and free up the push to cancel indicators.

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Replacement Choke lever was a lot easier to fit (this one’s not been bleached grey by the sun and still has its white lettering in situ) not new but after months of searching the best to be had and I’m happy with it.

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Tyres finally turned up from down under, two fronts from Australia and a rear from New Zealand – dreaded import duty as been duly paid. My carbon footprint was never great and must be shocking by now and progressively getting worse – so much so if you’re reading this in 2075 surrounded in every direction by water or your sitting in baren dust bowl all I can say in my defence for contributing to Global warming …..rather like a glamourous women “she looked good, smelt great and turned heads whenever we went out and took a lot of maintenance and was suitably indulged”



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The Trinity – and future proofing myself given my riding style seems to knacker front tyres

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Couldn’t resist some new spacers from Tyga to go with new front Magtex rim.

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The chain has been removed and thoroughly cleaned and de greased – being a non O ring chain I thought I’d try hot chain waxing as an alternative to chain lub, purely on domestic health and safety grounds I had to wait until I had the house to myself to use the hob, the dishwasher has also been similarly been called upon in the past for its cleaning abilities.

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After dropping the chain in the wax bubbled like hell for a good 30 seconds as it penetrated deep into each link, I left it in its hot bath for a further few minutes before pulling on some rubber gloves and lifting it out and cleaning off the excess. Took ages to cool down and chain went quite stiff, how long the wax lasts remains to be seen but chain feels nice and smooth and hopefully won’t fling grease onto the rim.



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Whilst messing around and purely for cosmetic reasons I bled the brakes and replaced the brake fluid with ATE Super Blue so the reservoir is now properly colour co-ordinated to the rest of the bike.

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Personally speaking I think it looks good … certainly better than a reservoir filled with fluid that looks like Iron Bru or that very special yellow Coke that truck drivers seem to bottle and through out their cabs!

The rear mud guard /under cowl with the uncut reflector was last on the list, but once removed gave me generous access to clean the rear shock and linkages. Not sure on the final look, looked cleaner and more minimalistic without the reflector but seeing as it took so long to fit, it won’t be swapped back anytime soon. Without going silly the new number plate just about fitted in the space allocated purely for the Japanese domestic market ones.



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Although I have an OEM screen in great shape I’m currently using a reproduction as its expendable and also crystal clear/box fresh however its lacking the factory lip round the rim to finish it off and looked cheap, so after a few web searches I found some clear screen trim from HPS in Derbyshire which achieved the look I was after, went on a treat and still left enough to do at least one more screen.


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Well pleased with the result

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If you’re free in Feb and fancy a day out click the link below for more info …. Hopefully see you there RobH!

Clicky Link> The Bristol Classic Bike Show©


Just need an NSR-WORLD.com decal now for the frame spar !

And there you go, a post that’s like the topping on an expensive froffy coffee – whisked up, full of air and lacking in any real substance yet costs a small fortune! And not forgetting that’s 5 minutes of your life you’ll never get back 😆
other posts are available, your bike is at risk if you set fire to it, don’t smoke in bed the ashes on the floor might be your own.
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Wonderful post. 100% support you in displaying an actual working example of an NSR against the usual mummies from the tombs. Not that there's anything wrong with that...it's just...you know. I too need that screen trim. Appreciate you posting the full details. Like the move to fluid colour although, yes, you might have a problem. Smile Is it DOT4 or did you do the paint safe DOT5? Love the close ups revealing how clean and well put together every single part of your bike is. It's exquisite old mate. Can't wait to see how well that chain wax sticks to the chain. Last time I did that process it was for a Honda CJ250T in what must have been 1986- had no problem with the wax flying off but it wasn't for lack of trying. #tortoiseslow.
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