NSR250.net Forums Logo: Honda NSR 250 Forums, Classifieds and Service Manual in English. Covering All Honda NSR 250 MC16, MC18, MC21 and MC28 models
NSR250.net Forums

#
 
#
 
Performance Engineering

  • NSR250 Forums Index ‹ NSR250R Discussion
  • Members Content
  • Members Garage
  • Subscription
  • Transactions
  • FAQ
  • Search
  • Register
  • Log in

Pgm IV info


Reply to topic   printer-friendly view
Page 1 of 1   Download Topic





kukkos
Supporter - Titanium
Supporter - Titanium
 
Posts: 100
Joined: 09 Mar 2010

Location: ITALY
1995 Honda NSR250 MC28SP
    Send private message View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
    Reply with quote  

Pgm IV info

Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:09 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

Hello everyone I have not found answers in the forum on the possibility 'of being able to use both my card HRC030 that the standard card on pgmIV (wire splice) Crying or Very sad

What happens if I use the standard card with wire splice mod ??
Will work 'anyway? I can damage pgm... or not

I also saw that some Japanese guys use a switch to change the two cards and how someone has detailed information on how to do?

possible to change the cable without cutting the wires?' But using fastom male and female connector.. Laughing

thanks for your help

Alessandro
_________________
Alessandro Cucco
via Brigate Partigiane 43c
54033 Carrara (MS) Italy
Back to top


Andy
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11949
Joined: 19 Jan 2004

Location: Devon, UK
1991 Honda NSR250 MC21
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:14 pm » Post: #2 » Download Post

I have to ask, why bother?

A bike set up to run with an HRC card runs like crap with a stock card inserted. You will need to change carb [and quite probably, airbox] setup when you change card.

As for a "switchable" spice; yes, it's quite easy to do.
_________________
Andy.
NSR-WORLD.COM

Please keep all responses to Forum posts on the Forum so that others may benefit.

Please DO NOT PM me for technical advice. My time is precious, and you will probably receive a faster response on the Forum anyway.


Check us out on Facebook! Please "like" our page!
Back to top


kukkos
Supporter - Titanium
Supporter - Titanium
 
Posts: 100
Joined: 09 Mar 2010

Location: ITALY
1995 Honda NSR250 MC28SP
    Send private message View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
    Reply with quote  

PgmIV info

Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:29 am » Post: #3 » Download Post

Thank you Andy , you can give me more information on "switchable" spice ? Rolling Eyes
link to forum or pictures... Wink

Thanks Andy

Merry christmas
_________________
Alessandro Cucco
via Brigate Partigiane 43c
54033 Carrara (MS) Italy
Back to top


Andy
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11949
Joined: 19 Jan 2004

Location: Devon, UK
1991 Honda NSR250 MC21
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:07 pm » Post: #4 » Download Post

There is no link. It's just not hard to do. All the wiresplice is doing is shorting certain wires to earth/ground. Rather than hard solder them, just route them through a switch (or switches -- I've seen someone use 2 switches before, to handle all the wires, but it's rather messy and cumbersome!).

You can see a wiring diagram in the Members section. You will will have to plan it yourself, or take the bike to an electrician.

As I say though, it's pointless, unless you are prepared to change the entire setup every time you flick the switch and insert a different card. The PGM-IV is not as flexible as it was hyped to be, back in 1994.

My advice is, if you have an HRC card/setup, stick with it! If you need an odometer, fit a small unobtrusive LED one suitable for a mountain bike or something.
_________________
Andy.
NSR-WORLD.COM

Please keep all responses to Forum posts on the Forum so that others may benefit.

Please DO NOT PM me for technical advice. My time is precious, and you will probably receive a faster response on the Forum anyway.


Check us out on Facebook! Please "like" our page!
Back to top


kukkos
Supporter - Titanium
Supporter - Titanium
 
Posts: 100
Joined: 09 Mar 2010

Location: ITALY
1995 Honda NSR250 MC28SP
    Send private message View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
    Reply with quote  

Pgm IV info

Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:25 pm » Post: #5 » Download Post

Thank you again Andy .

I will follow 'your advice Very Happy
_________________
Alessandro Cucco
via Brigate Partigiane 43c
54033 Carrara (MS) Italy
Back to top


DUX
Banned
 
Posts: 109
Joined: 17 Nov 2013

Location: xanadu
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

3 or 4

Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:40 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

Sounds like good advice it could be a can of worms, experience of others once again will hopefully save a lot of hassle and probably cost.

The PGM4 set up does appeal especially in these high tech., days but as you say it isn't all its cracked up to be, after reading various bits about it I for one will stick to my PGM3 and be square.

I saw a bit about other ecu's on sale but for a non electrically minded person the task of changing seems daunting, it would be much better if there was some way of protecting the PGM from electrical surge and rc valve seizure.

I had planned to look into a number of things this winter but it has ground to a halt as I have just got back home after a long spell in hospital and are currently recuperating after major surgery.

Do you read "Practical Sportsbikes", the January issue shows how to make your own Carbon Fibre reeds.

Your mention of using a bicycle odemeter, I did read that it is possible to use them and it complies with the MOT, as my speedo is defunct at the moment until I am able to sort it out a bike one would do.

D. ROTFLMAO
Back to top


Andy
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11949
Joined: 19 Jan 2004

Location: Devon, UK
1991 Honda NSR250 MC21
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:41 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

There's no denying that the PGM-IV card is trick, but as I say, personally I think it's a case of choose your preferred setup (stock or HRC), and stick with it.

I can understand why it could sometimes be useful to revert to stock, say for a ministry/DOT test in some countries, but for practicality, it just doesn't make sense.

As for the integrated RC Valve circuit on the PGM-II/III/IV, I think if it fails and you DO regularly maintain your valves and cables, then it's just simply "bad luck"! On the whole, the NSR250 electronics are incredibly robust and reliable.
_________________
Andy.
NSR-WORLD.COM

Please keep all responses to Forum posts on the Forum so that others may benefit.

Please DO NOT PM me for technical advice. My time is precious, and you will probably receive a faster response on the Forum anyway.


Check us out on Facebook! Please "like" our page!
Back to top


foxmcscrooge

 
Posts: 88
Joined: 11 May 2013

Location: Brisbane, Australia
1996 Honda MC28 SE
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:21 am » Post: #8 » Download Post

Hi Kukkos. Here is a picture of my MC28 with a Trailtech Endurance 2 speedo. Works well. Very easy to install. I used some industrial velcro strips and it stays put no problem. If I ever get around to it I might make up an ally bracket to mount it. The other mount is for my cell phone which I use as a GPS on occasion. I normally don't have that mount on there.
Back to top


IronCity

 
Posts: 9
Joined: 01 May 2014

Location: Colorado
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:27 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

Here's how my Trailtech is mounted with a custom bracket I made
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByRqdqhXR1LQY3dOZlNXTDhUNVk/edit?usp=docslist_api
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByRqdqhXR1LQU0hPZ3ZIazNCTFE/edit?usp=docslist_api
_________________
1996 Honda NSR250 MC28 Repsol
Back to top


Reply to topic   printer-friendly view
Page 1 of 1   Download Topic

NSR250R Discussion

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

  • NSR250 Forums Index
  • All times are GMT
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group


Hosted by NSR250dotNET © 2008 NSR250dotNET