hi all its good to have two nsr . but look in the magazine and see
yamaha has a secret 2stoke called owo1/fzr750r at 10,000 rpm all hell
breaks lose. love it sits in my garage trying to bully my nsrs
And even Bike mag says the '28's condition is a bit dodgy! _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
That Rothmans SP looked mint, what are they talking about.....dodgey indeed. Didn't read the article to be fair, just flicked through it as I picked up MCN.
Might have to add both Bike and PB to the pile of mags I don't have time to read
That's there point Tom looks mint, not is mint, there is a difference especially when your talking about the sort of ££ that will buy a 0 miles 2008 CBR600rr or maybe a "normal" mc28 and leave several thousand pounds to go and play with.
As you know yourself, a full Rothmans fairing brand new is about a grand max. For a dealer to have it done in a paint shop will be a fraction of that.
Wheels resprayed are only a couple of hundred even if Dymag do them and one of Bike's "complaints" was a shody paint job on the wheels (i.e. they'd sprayed the alloy centre of the rear Magtek).
It's only a couple of lines at the end of the feature that questions the 2000 k's on the clocks, mint bodywork, painted wheels and grotty fairing bolts.
Nothing really if you're on about a normal '28, but this is £6500. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
Its very easy for these so called minters to look perfect in photos.
Its when you get up close you start seeing things which belay the original apprearance, believe me I have with mine, and that's not including the engine internals
I also don't trust these super low mileages, for a bike that age and also showing signs of repairs or at least respraying. Mine had ~ 5000 km on the clock when I bought it, could easily be 10,000 km actual.
Banshee fitted a mph convertor to his MC28 speedo, it reset the odometer back to zero
So much for the credit crunch, Fastline seem to be selling all these £6.5K strokers as fast as they can import them Maybe its people deciding they actually prefer a 16 year old (not quite mint ) 250cc 2T race rep instead of an 08 CBR600RR??
That said, it remains hard to justify why the MC28 that Fontyyy referenced could be bought for £3K and a Rothmans MC28 is over double that price.
No point asking me, my MC21 SP was the only NSR I looked at, I didn't research the market before buying. Was seduced by those Rothmans colours, far too weak _________________ Rich
MC21 Track Bike / RS250 NF5 'Spencer', NX5 'Cadalora' & NXA 'Aoyama' / RS500 / Two Brothers Racing RC30
robins wrote:top money for a non genuine bike is daft thing is someone will buy this thinking there getting a genuine rothmans bike which it isnt.
It could still be a genuine Rothmans MC28SP. Respraying the wheels if they have been scratched or dinged & replaced does not constitute non-genuine. They need to still be Magteks though Same if the bike has been over, smashed a fairing panel and has a new OE panel fitted. _________________ Rich
MC21 Track Bike / RS250 NF5 'Spencer', NX5 'Cadalora' & NXA 'Aoyama' / RS500 / Two Brothers Racing RC30
It surprises me that Fastline can sell £6500 bikes that aren't necessarily 100% (maybe or maybe not unknown to them though, although for that kind of money, they should be freshly rebuilt from the bottom-end up in my opinion!), yet robins can't sell his MC28 which is starting for £1000 less than that!
Here's a good example of a photo doing crap bodywork real justice!!
I just wish PB would actually test/ride a good NSR! I think they are almost afraid to, after banging on about RGV's and RS's for years!! It appears to have become a face saving exercise. _________________ Andy.
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RichG wrote:So much for the credit crunch, Fastline seem to be selling all these £6.5K strokers as fast as they can import them Maybe its people deciding they actually prefer a 16 year old (not quite mint ) 250cc 2T race rep instead of an 08 CBR600RR??
Maybe, or maybe it's the odd rich boy buying something to sit in the hallway, or maybe they aren't selling them at all and this is the one they had mid summer?
Whatever, they aren't (in general) going to people who are joining the forums, showing up at track days or anything that might entail actually starting the bike.
RichG wrote:It could still be a genuine Rothmans MC28SP. Respraying the wheels if they have been scratched or dinged & replaced does not constitute non-genuine. They need to still be Magteks though Same if the bike has been over, smashed a fairing panel and has a new OE panel fitted.
Indeed, but neither are acceptable at £6500. Over 2 grand more than it cost brand new!
You can have my bike, buy all new bodywork, new pipes, send the Magteks to Dymag to paint, the forks and shock to K-tech to rebuild and have Steve build you a motor that'd make 65 bhp (even on a PGMIV) for that money. _________________ Please do not PM me technical questions, if you can't find it on the Forum start a thread
You are right about some of those buyers not joining the forum. We'd probably have a better idea if they did. I think its a pity if the bike is not ridden hard, on either road or track, even if its expensive, and kept locked away instead. I was giving mine plenty of WOT this summer, with a passing crank seal It will have more of the same after the rebuild and I've applied for 3 track sessions at the 1000 bikes Festival.
Agree with Andy, for £6.5K a dealer should at least strip the engine and repair as necessary. I feel pretty strongly about that after recent events.
And if these MC28SP's are in such demand, why hasn't robins's Repsol sold.
Its been up for sale for a while and is just as good as the SP's Fastline appear to be moving. _________________ Rich
MC21 Track Bike / RS250 NF5 'Spencer', NX5 'Cadalora' & NXA 'Aoyama' / RS500 / Two Brothers Racing RC30
hi the mc28sp rothmans at fast line has been sat there since summer.
It seems quite a few of the very dear bikes were purchased by a ex racer.
he must be minted
I don't think you will get many dealers stripping stock (in stock rather than OE stock) before they its sold. It's cheaper for them to take the chance and hand the bike over and hope it never comes back or runs out of warranty than it is to rebuild it in the first place.
Most are sold with just 3 months warranty anyway and the limited mileage the bikes tend to do means that by the time any problem raise their heads the warranty has passed.
£6500 is a lot of money to be spending on any second hand bike but there is never going to be a super fire way to tell if its as it seems. Even the most loved low mileage bikes can of been at the hands of less than sympathetic mechanics. _________________ If I have to take the carbs off once more...
I think the point I was trying to make was that if a dealer is going to charge such a premium (i.e. £6500) for an NSR, then it should be considered "as good as new" in my opinion, and therefore have been completely stripped.
As much as I love them, I could never value a 15~18 year old 250 at that kind of money... probably not even with 0 (genuine) miles on the clock to be honest.
If a dealer isn't willing to prepare a bike to "as new" standard, then the price should reflect this. I honestly can't see how any 15+ year old 250 is worth more than £4000, let alone £5000 and above! A "mint" MC21SP or MC28SP with a new motor could then justifiably command another £1500~£2000.
I'm glad prices are high for one reason alone, and that's because it generally tends to keep the NSR out of the hands of spotty kids whose tool box mainly consists of a big hammer, a big screwdriver, a handful of UNF nuts and bolts, and a roll of blue PVC tape... they can keep buying RGV's!
I guess part of the problem is that NSR values are on the increase in Japan again, and the UK businesses have to make a living. I'd be interested to know just how much a "nice" MC28SP is landed in the UK though, once a full container and all the expenses are taken into consideration. Of course it will vary from shipment to shipment, but if there's not a healthy margin in it, they wouldn't still be importing them. There are after all a lot of NSR's in the country already, and you never have to wait long to find one if you are really looking, and really a serious buyer. _________________ Andy.
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hi all its good to have two nsr . but look in the magazine and see
Maybe its people deciding they actually prefer a 16 year old (not quite mint 
It appears to have become a face saving exercise. 