NSR250.net Forums Logo: Honda NSR 250 Forums, Classifieds and Service Manual in English. Covering All Honda NSR 250 MC16, MC18, MC21 and MC28 models
NSR250.net Forums

#
 
#
 
Performance Engineering

  • NSR250 Forums Index ‹ NSR250R Discussion
  • Members Content
  • Members Garage
  • Subscription
  • Transactions
  • FAQ
  • Search
  • Register
  • Log in

Adjusting MC 18 RC valves


Reply to topic   printer-friendly view
Page 1 of 2  Goto page 1, 2  Next Download Topic





nickvr

 
Posts: 24
Joined: 03 Mar 2007

    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Adjusting MC 18 RC valves

Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:38 pm » Post: #1 » Download Post

Hi. Read all the articles i was able to find with TPS and Power / RC valves, All state the ignition & swicth method. When I manually turn values, and switch on, the both valves moves to right hand side of marks. Unplugging the TPS and switching back on, the valves / servo do not move a mm. Any ideas or how else can I set the valves without taking exhaust off?
Back to top


StephenRC45
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 4884
Joined: 28 Jan 2004

Location: Cornwall, England
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:49 pm » Post: #2 » Download Post

With the ign off unplug the TPS and turn the servo by hand to full HI (the ign must be off!!).

Once the servo is set at high turn the ign on and the valve should sweep back down to the set postion (not full HI or full LO).

If nothing happens there is another way... but thats a later post.
_________________
If I have to take the carbs off once more...
Back to top


NickoPen

 
Posts: 44
Joined: 19 Jun 2006

Location: Brisbane, Australia
    Send private message View user's profile MSN Messenger
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:24 am » Post: #3 » Download Post

On the MC18 the method's different.

start the bike, valve moves to full closed at idle.

raise revs slowly, valve moves to full open somewhere around 3000 RPM (can't recall exactly)

raise revs a bit more and it goes back to full closed before starting to operate as designed.

On my bike, the "hi" and "lo" marks are dead on exact, or closer than any other mucking around has been able to get the settings.
Back to top


StephenRC45
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 4884
Joined: 28 Jan 2004

Location: Cornwall, England
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:33 am » Post: #4 » Download Post

MC18 and '21 set ups are identical.

Both PGM-II and PGM-III sweep to full high at 3000rpm.
_________________
If I have to take the carbs off once more...
Back to top


nickvr

 
Posts: 24
Joined: 03 Mar 2007

    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:24 pm » Post: #5 » Download Post

Mine does that yes, with and without TPS connected. But from moves full HI to LO to full HI (inline with HI mark or servo) and it seems like that is not what I want i.e. full HI when setting to mark position?
Back to top


StephenRC45
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 4884
Joined: 28 Jan 2004

Location: Cornwall, England
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:55 pm » Post: #6 » Download Post

The setting postion isn't at full Hi or full LO, its between the two.
_________________
If I have to take the carbs off once more...
Back to top


nickvr

 
Posts: 24
Joined: 03 Mar 2007

    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:18 pm » Post: #7 » Download Post

Thanks Stephan. Revving 2000rpm - 3000rpm causes servo to go to full HI. At that point both the valves are in line with the markings. Does this mean that my NSR's valves do not work they way they should (do not open fully at higher rpms e.g 10000 as they should then go past the markings thus open up more)??
Back to top


StephenRC45
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 4884
Joined: 28 Jan 2004

Location: Cornwall, England
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:10 pm » Post: #8 » Download Post

Yes,

With the PV setting hole and pointer lined up the valve is still closed by almost 2mm.

If at full HI on your servo motor your power valve is only lined up with the markings then your valves are still not fully open. Full open positon is about 1.5mm passed the line/hole on the barrel.

This is why you disconnect the TPS turn the ign on and adjust the valve to the set postion. NOT blip the motor to 3k and then set the power valve up to the barrel markings. If you do do this then the servo will try and close the valve to far and good buy PGM.
_________________
If I have to take the carbs off once more...
Back to top


nsr.wayne
Supporter - Carbon
Supporter - Carbon
 
Posts: 1068
Joined: 30 Jul 2004

Location: Portsmouth,Hampshire.
    Send private message View user's profile Send e-mail MSN Messenger
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:10 pm » Post: #9 » Download Post

nickvr wrote:Mine does that yes, with and without TPS connected. But from moves full HI to LO to full HI (inline with HI mark or servo) and it seems like that is not what I want i.e. full HI when setting to mark position?


Is your's a MK 1 18/pgm 1??
_________________
Harley Davidson is the worlds most efficient way to turn petrol into noise without the harmful side effect of horsepower.
Back to top


nickvr

 
Posts: 24
Joined: 03 Mar 2007

    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:36 pm » Post: #10 » Download Post

I'm not sure if Mk 1.... All I do know is that with TPS connected / disconnected the PV does not move from LO position, only when revving between 2000 - 3000 rpms does it move to HI and past approx 3000 down to LO again. And I agree with Stephan that it most likely setup incorrectly as I can hear a buzzing sound from PV when ign and switch on, guess its trying to close an already closed valve!
Back to top


nsr.wayne
Supporter - Carbon
Supporter - Carbon
 
Posts: 1068
Joined: 30 Jul 2004

Location: Portsmouth,Hampshire.
    Send private message View user's profile Send e-mail MSN Messenger
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:00 pm » Post: #11 » Download Post

The reason I asked was that my MK 1 mc18 does what yours does with the TPS disconnected "nothing" but my MK2 mc18 does what Stephen says when I disconnect the TPS.
_________________
Harley Davidson is the worlds most efficient way to turn petrol into noise without the harmful side effect of horsepower.
Back to top


nickvr

 
Posts: 24
Joined: 03 Mar 2007

    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:02 pm » Post: #12 » Download Post

Thanks Wayne. I guess I have the MK 1 then.... Where does that leave me, how do I correct the valve setting now?
Back to top


StephenRC45
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
 
Posts: 4884
Joined: 28 Jan 2004

Location: Cornwall, England
    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:32 pm » Post: #13 » Download Post

If it wont go to the set postion...

Start the engine, blip it to just over 3000 rpm and mark the servo motor where the pully wheel pointer goes too (it wont go as far as the HI mark on the servo body).

Stop the engine and turn the servo pully to this new mark. This is now full open.

Take the exhaust off and adjust teh cables so the power valve flaps are just recessed inside the roof of teh exhast port (0.2-0.3mm).

Button it all back up and away you go.

Do not use the marks on the barrels as these will now mean nothing. You are now setting it up, servo full open-valve full open.
_________________
If I have to take the carbs off once more...
Back to top


nsr.wayne
Supporter - Carbon
Supporter - Carbon
 
Posts: 1068
Joined: 30 Jul 2004

Location: Portsmouth,Hampshire.
    Send private message View user's profile Send e-mail MSN Messenger
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:37 pm » Post: #14 » Download Post

Sorry mate I cant help you there as I was lost as well trying to set up my mk 1.I was following Stephens instructions as he told me them over the phone but unplugging the
TPS didnt do anything so I copied the setting from my mk 2 which is set up correct .
_________________
Harley Davidson is the worlds most efficient way to turn petrol into noise without the harmful side effect of horsepower.
Back to top


nickvr

 
Posts: 24
Joined: 03 Mar 2007

    Send private message View user's profile
    Reply with quote  

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:41 pm » Post: #15 » Download Post

Thanks, will try this. Just worried that I may damage the exhaust gaskets. Hard to get spares here for that model. Honda useally imports from Japan.
Back to top


Reply to topic   printer-friendly view
Page 1 of 2  Goto page 1, 2  Next Download Topic

NSR250R Discussion

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

  • NSR250 Forums Index
  • All times are GMT
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group


Hosted by NSR250dotNET © 2008 NSR250dotNET